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Transcript of Alongside Night Celebration!

Note: Last night’s Celebration went well despite a Denial of Service attack on GoDaddy where LFB’s domain name is registered. Many people assumed the event was canceled because they could not get through to the LFB site. Happily, many others were able to participate. The next Celebration of freedom fiction will feature SF celebrity L.Neil Smith, author of the Probability Broach.

And so…Welcome to a transcript of the Celebration of J.Neil Schulman’s movie adaptation of his award-winning novel Alongside Night. It stars Kevin Sorbo (of Hercules fame) as Dr. Vreeland and shooting is underway as I write this. The movie is an exciting freedom event that will open doors for other libertarian film makers. Well done, J.Neil. Click on the title of this post to access the transcript or click here. The SF writer L.Neil Smith and graphic novelist Scott Bieser were also in attendance. It was a lot of fun!

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  • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

    Wendy, let me pop in one more time to make a recommendation for a future Laissez Faire Books Celebration. It’s a novel that carries a Ray Bradbury endorsement (alas! no more of those are coming), was a Prometheus Award finalist, and enters into a territory that until now has been completely dominated by the left: the Spanish Civil War.

    But let me to what Ayn Rand often did: quote myself, in my afterword to that novel:

    ———————————————
    ANARQUIA
    by Brad Linaweaver and J. Kent Hastings

    AFTERWORD:
    By J. Neil Schulman

    Look, anyone who can read can blurb a novel.

    Anyone who can write can write an afterword for a novel.

    But aside from the authors, themselves, the only man who can touch me in his commitment to this novel is James A. Rock, publisher of Sense of Wonder Press, who is issuing the first edition.

    Nevertheless, with all due respect to Mr. Rock, he only bought rights to this book once.

    I’ve bought them twice.

    In 1999, when Anarquia was nothing more than an outline, I obtained the book-publishing rights to Anarquia–and paid the authors an advance to write it–in my capacity as publisher and editor-in-chief of Pulpless.Com.

    A couple of years later I reverted those rights to the authors so they could accept Jim Rock’s publishing offer.

    Then, within 24 hours of the manuscript’s completion in July, 2003 – after reading only the first four chapters – I made an offer to purchase the movie rights. Within a week, the contract was signed, money changed hands, and I had an option on those rights.

    You may reasonably conclude that I consider Anarquia an important work of literature, and one which, additionally, has great commercial potential both as a book and a movie.

    I’ll go further than that. Anarquia doesn’t read to me like science-fiction, of which the alternate history is a subgenre. Neither does it read to me like an historical novel. Anarquia reads to me like a contemporary novel written in the late 1930’s, about the time that Ernest Hemingway wrote his 1938 Spanish Civil War stage-play The Fifth Column. But Anarquia reads to me not like flat-beer reporting by the newsman Hemingway, but a rich brew by his far-more talented contemporary, and fellow Nobel laureate, John Steinbeck.

    My inside track on this book goes all the way back to its conception … and I’m going to reveal a few secrets for the first time.

    In 1992 the idea for Anarquia originated in the mind of J. Kent Hastings … but Kent’s inspiration for the novel was Brad Linaweaver’s 1988 novel, Moon of Ice, an alternate history of World War II in which the United States remains neutral, Nazi Germany uses nuclear weapons to conquer both the Soviet Union and Europe, and the Cold War is not between the United States and Russia but between the United States and Germany.

    Kent asked himself, “What would have happened if even before World War II started — if even before Nazi Germany had made its first conquest — the anarchists in Spain had prevailed in the Spanish Civil War?”

    It was a rich vein to prospect for literary gold. The Spanish Civil War was in many ways a prologue to World War II, and the literary lions associated with it include not only Hemingway (who covered it) but also George Orwell (who fought in it).

    By 1995 Kent had outlined the novel with three personal heroes as its main characters: the father of the moon landing, rocketeer Wernher von Braun; the mother of spread-spectrum communications, movie-star Hedy Lamarr, and the father of modern computing, Konrad Zuse.

    By 1998 Kent had reached the limits of research about the Spanish Civil War written (or translated into) English, and was studying Spanish so he could read documents and books in their originals.

    Kent and I briefly discussed my collaborating on the novel, but in 1999 my adventures in book publishing shoved my life as a writer aside, and Kent went back to the source of his inspiration and offered the collaboration to Brad. I offered them a contract and their collaboration was official.

    The rest is history.

    Yes – after I bought the movie rights for my production company, Jesulu Productions – I did finish reading the novel. Actually, Brad read me the second half on a long weekend he and Kent spent at my house in Pahrump, Nevada, where we signed the option contracts. It was fair revenge since I’d read aloud to both Brad and Kent the full text of my latest novel, Escape from Heaven … then read aloud to them my screenplay adaptation as well.

    And when I expressed my dismay at the abruptness of the novel’s ending, Brad let me in on another secret, which I’ll now share with you.

    The last chapter of this novel is not an ending. It’s a cliffhanger. The sequel is already in the works … and I’m already pumping Kent and Brad for deep background on my screenplay adaptation.

    Here’s the teaser for my screen treatment:

    WE OPEN on a ten-year-old boy pulling a little red wagon through the streets of Berlin in 1922. Little Wernher von Braun has tied six Chinese firecracker-rockets to the wagon and is about to conduct his first experiment in rocketry. He lights the firecrackers and the wagon careens uncontrollably through the streets, narrowly avoiding disaster. A policeman grabs the little boy by the scruff of his neck and takes him home to his father, who takes off his belt, and the incident ends with nothing more than a little boy’s yelps behind a closed door.

    WE CUT TO July, 1969 – Cape Canaveral, Florida – as Wernher von Braun watches proudly as Apollo 11 is launched … and a few days later the famous TV broadcast from the moon, as Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin leave their footprints in lunar soil.

    SUDDENLY WE ZOOM BACKWARDS IN TIME: the Apollo, Gemini, and Mercury missions … the launch of Sputnik by the Soviets … the liberation of Europe by the Allies …V-2 rockets bombing London and we’re back to a little boy’s wagon being pulled on a Berlin street in 1922.

    WE REPEAT the rocket-propelled wagon careening wildly through the streets of Berlin, only this time the wagon knocks a well-dressed matron into oncoming street traffic. We hear SCREAMS and little Wernher von Braun watches his first experiment in rocketry end in tragedy.

    And the rest is alternate history.

    ———————————————

    Wendy, if you don’t have a copy of Anarquia, give me a physical mail address and I’ll have one of the authors ship you a deluxe hardcover edition pronto!

    Neil

  • Storm

    Thanks J. Neil.. I know that several “lurkers” have commented to me about how great it has been to be able to read the responses to the questions and to learn so much about what is going on. I too appreciate your time and effort here in this first of what I hope will be many installments of the focus on liberty fiction!

    Good luck on the rest of the movie making, the writing and all else..

  • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

    Wendy asked me to write some replies to “predictable” questions — and I asked her to send me some since even though I’m a “prophetic” science fiction writer I couldn’t predict them.

    Here are some of those questions and my replies:

    > –Is the book your tribute to Heinlein?

    Alongside Night has often been compared to Heinlein’s YA novels from the 50′s; and the Los Angeles Times reviewer of The Rainbow Cadenza slammed my second novel for being too Heinleinesque; but my best tributes to Heinlein are in my book The Robert Heinlein Interview and Other Heinleiniana (in print both from Pulpless.com and the Virginia Edition, and soon to be out as an audiobook from Sound of Liberty/ARTC) and my third novel, Escape from Heaven, where Heinlein, himself, turns up as a major character.

    > –Which SF writers have influenced you?

    Heinlein — ya think? Also C.S. Lewis, Ayn Rand (yes, I’ll call both “SF” writers), Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Anthony Burgess, Ira Levin, and probably every writer discovered and published in Astounding by John W. Campbell, Jr.

    > –What was Sam Konkin III like?
    That would take another book, just for a full list of adjectives. Sam was my bromance, and his own brother told me I was closer to Sam than he himself was. He was a polymath genius, had as many traits of OCD as Sherlock Holmes or Adrian Monk, was addicted to the pleasures of life including fine pipe tobacco, spicy gourmet food, dark beers, jazz, rockabilly, Broadway show tunes, science-fiction and fantasy, all-night parties, and James Bond movies and their music and theme songs, and I think one day SEK3 will be viewed as the man whose theory of Agorism finally put Karl Marx’s communism into the dustbin of history.

    > –Do you think we are already in an “Alongside Night” society?

    Not quite because the novel and screenplay only portray the final crisis; but the economic conditions leading to that crisis are all in place

    > –Do you think it is time to pick up a gun against the police state?

    That’s never our decision. But when the police state goes on a rampage, violating its citizens’ rights, even their own federal law — Title 18 USC, Section 242 — guarantees us the right to defend ourselves using deadly force from officers violating our rights under color of law.

    > –Are you Elliot? Or Dr. Vreeland?

    Elliot is cooler than I was at his age, and Dr. Vreeland has degrees I don’t have.

    > –Are you going to make your other books into movies?

    I have a shooting script ready to go on Escape from Heaven, and I just sent it over to Kevin Sorbo, at his request, for the lead roles of Duj Pepperman and God. After that, Rainbow Cadenza would be a dream project, but only if I make enough money on earlier movies that I can get financed to write the script and direct it.

    > –Other than Sorbo, who else is in the movie?

    I’m finalizing contract offers with actors right now, and casting the remaining principal roles, so it’s just a few weeks early for me to answer that question.

    > –What did you have to leave out from the book?

    Human Action, Man Economy and State, and Power and Market!

    > –Thanks for opening the door for libertarian producers. Will you do movies *not* based on your own books?

    I’d love to direct L. Neil Smith’s The Probability Broach, Brad Linaweaver’s Moon of Ice, and I already have an option on Brad Linaweaver and J. Kent Hastings’ Anarquia.

    > –Where do you think the economy is going?

    Ultimately that question is about faith in the human spirit, so no matter the collapse, I believe in a recovery. I just don’t agree with the current politicians that recovery is possible with them ruddering the boat.

    > –Is Sorbo a libertarian?
    I don’t think Kevin would self-describe that way, but I’d say Kevin has a lot of libertarian beliefs mixed in with conservative/Tea Party views. He describes himself as believing in common sense — and I don’t think he’s too far from Thomas Paine’s meaning for those words.

  • dhunt

    I’ve never read either Neil’s work, but I’m quite interested now after seeing the book and film discussed. I do appreciate the promotion of SF/liberty writers. Thanks!

  • Storm

    Definitely thanks to the authors, LFB, and Wendy for this event. It is not often we get to talk to the folks who entertain us so well in the privacy of our own homes and libraries !

  • Jonny H

    Thanks!

  • Brad R

    Well, unless Alongside Night makes it to the Toronto or Montreal film festivals, I expect I’ll have to wait for the DVD release. It’s definitely on the “to buy” list when it becomes available.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Brad, I am going to make every effort — and I think with our cast we have a good chance — that Alongside Night will play in a cineplex near you!

  • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

    I will call the first in the series of Fiction Writers of Freedom events to a close. I thank J. Neil and I thank everyone else for attending. May you live well, may you live free.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Wendy, thank you for all the time and effort you spent setting up this event.

      And before I go, I’m going to print at the bottom of this page the “unasked” “predictable” questions — and my answers — as a bonus.

      Cheers!

      Neil

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    And thank you, Scott.

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    I’m afraid I’m going to have to take my leave now. Congratulations, J., thank you Wendy and everybody else.

    Be well…

  • Jonny H

    Maybe it’s off-topic, but kind of related. I realize that I am asking the choir here, but does anyone know of any real evidence that more people are coming around to Agorist/Voluntaryist/AnCap/small “l” libertarian values/beliefs/ideas? Or does it just seem that way? Are the ideas having any visible effects?

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      It’s not off-topic, and let me answer you this way.

      When I wrote the novel Alongside Night it was absolute fancy that there could be a massive march and rally with signs like “Laissez Faire!” “Smash the Fed!” and “Mises over Marx!”

      Now, when I invite AntiWar.com, the Campaign for Liberty, Young Americans for Liberty, and Students for Liberty to come to Las Vegas and participate in a real rally that we will film for the Alongside Night movie, I doubt anyone will find those signs strange or futuristic in any way.

  • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

    I have to go soon, but I want to leave with one point — writing compelling fiction is a lot harder than it looks. I think writing non-fiction is comparatively easier. So, to pull of what J. Neil and L. Neil have done is damned impressive, despite the fact that they’ve been under-appreciated.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Agreed. You may not know it but I have written and published fiction. Non-fiction is easier.

    • Storm

      Definitely thanks to the authors, LFB, and Wendy for this event. It is not often we get to talk to the folks who entertain us so well in the privacy of our own libraries!

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    Thinking about it, we do seem to have a lot of writers who do both fiction and non-fiction.This may be a function of the idea-power Charles says we possess. I just thought of Vin Suprynowicz, a great newsman and editorialist who has written one very badly neglected novel;.

  • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

    We are nearing the hour point of J.Neil’s Q&A. If he is willing to stay longer, then I am sure the questioners and many ‘lurkers’ would appreciate it. If not, then I have a massive THANK YOU for J.Neil.

    This is the first of a series of celebrations that I will be holding at LFB for SF writers and their works. Both L. Neil Smith and Scott Bieser (who are in attendance) will be featured in the near future. Come and comment, come and enjoy the presence of these remarkable artists who have contributed so richly to liberty.

    • Charles Curley

      Thank you, Wendy. A sucessful experiment.

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    Heinlein wrote very little non-fiction. He may have been the greatest storyteller on the side of liberty in American history — or at least the 20th century.

    I write a lot of non-fiction, but only because it’s the only cure when I’m feeling angry or depressed because of the shape our civilization is in. I couldn’t sleep, otherwise.

    I have now written a sort of manifesto, in _Down With Power_.

    • Brad R

      I was thinking of the non-fiction essays that were included in the “Expanded Universe” collection. I wonder how effective they were then; and they don’t seem to have aged well. Whereas “Between Planets” (to name one example) is still an enjoyable read, and — aside from technological changes — not “dated.”

  • Storm

    Do you think that we are at the point of Alongside Night, economically speaking? Where do you see the economy going in the near and foreseeable future?

    Any ideas for changing the direction?

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      It would be futile for me to write anything based on the idea that macroeconomic decisions have inevitable macro-social consequences, so I didn’t write Alongside Night to thwart history.

      But the whole point of Alongside Night is that we are not required to accept macroeconomic decisions as a fate for our own lives — and that while you can’t stop a tsunani you can seek high ground.

  • Chris Claypoole

    I have the same feeling about the culture as L. Neil. So many of my leftist acquaintances and friends cite older fiction (like “The Jungle”) as if it was reference material, and quote from entertainment media like they were footnotes, it seems like their entire experience is constructed of leftist memes. It is very hard just to get one such to admit that there might be an alternate view that is not both evil and insane. (Anyone familiar with “projection”? And, yes, that’s a rhetorical question.)

  • Brad R

    Sorry, my question got buried in a chain of replies, so I’ll repost it here at the bottom.

    L. Neil (upthread) said “it’s easier to tell the truth in fiction than it is in non-fiction.” If I recall correctly, J. Neil has written both. J. Neil, would you agree?

    And yes, L. Neil, I know you have written both as well. I also know that Robert Heinlein wrote both. J. Neil (and L. Neil if you wish to answer), would you agree that Heinlein’s fiction has had a more lasting effect?

    • http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B005IZV344 Steven Vandervelde

      I know you didn’t ask me, but neither of the Neils are dead yet so we can not know what their future impact will be. So, is that a fair question?

      • Brad R

        Sorry, I was unclear. I’m asking J. Neil if he agrees with L. Neil that it’s easier to tell the truth in fiction than in non-fiction.

        And I’m asking both of the Neils, but particularly J. Neil, if, today, we can say that Heinlein’s fiction has proven more — durable? lasting? — than Heinlein’s non-fiction.

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          You never can tell, but as of now it looks as if Heinlein’s reputation is based on his fiction, and will last.

          I’ve had successes in both fiction and non-fiction, but it’s too early to know the durability of anything I’ve written or produced.

  • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

    I have no doubt that we can catch up because we are the ones who have the talent. J.Neil is doing yoeman’s work in breaking through film-making barriers. And I am so pleased to hear that you have plans in film making yourself.

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    Wendy and Storm, my speech was heavily influenced by having just read _The Seduction of Hillary Rodham_. I was astonished at the support structure the left had built for themselves. I still am,and often wonder if we’re ever going to catch up literarily or in any other sense.

    • Storm

      I sincerely believe we can catch up given that we can easily win on the ideas and coherency of thought, what we need to do in my humble opinion, is retake the notion of compassion from the left. We cannot have compassion for our fellow humans without first recognizing that they must be free to lead the lives that THEY choose, not the ones that we arrogantly choose for them.

      To do this, we must have folks like yourself and J Neil, and others whose strengths are in the compelling fiction and artistic endeavors, introduce these ideas in a sympathetic manner rather than in the academic settings and overtly intellectual discussions that have been the focus of too many of us for too long. These latter serve their purpose, and I still participate in them, but we cannot afford any longer to be so one sided in our approach to liberty and the popularization of liberty.

  • Storm

    Was the writing of this book, influenced by your friendship with SEK3? If so, could you tell us how?

    • Charles Curley

      Storm, the short answer to your question (in case J. Neil, who most definitely can speak for himself, doesn’t get a chance to answer) is, yes.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Alongside Night is dedicated to SEK3 and I made him suffer through listening to me read each chapter to him as I finished it. The novel could not have been written without our deep discussions on counter-economics and Agorism, starting when we were both living in NYC. I organized two conferences on CounterEconomics — CounterCon I in fall 1974 and CounterCon II in spring 1975 — and on our drive across country in summer 1975 Sam and I outlined what was to be a nonfiction book titled CounterEconomics. When my literary agent, Oscar Collier, failed to get us a contract for the book, I wrote Alongside Night published in 1979, and SEK3 wrote The New Libertarian Manifesto published in 1980.

      • Storm

        Thanks.. I came to your work independent of SEK3′s but have enjoyed both immensely.. Damn shame those conversations were not taped for prosperity.. :)

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    Yes, Neil, you were skinny, I can attest to that.Since then,you have grown in fame, accomplishment, and other things.

    Scott, we have reached a point where we have too few artists, that’s where we’ve gotten.

    Wendy, are you familiar with my speech “You Can’t Fight A Culture War If You Ain’t Got Any Culture”? I don’t know how many idiots I’ve heard sniff, and say haughtily, “I don’t read fiction.” Their mistake –it’s easier to tell the truth in fiction than it is in non-fiction.

    • Charles Curley

      @L. Neil: one of the great advantages we have is that our opponents believe that ideas have no consequences. Of course they do. Including the idea that ideas have no consequences.

    • Storm

      L. Neil, coming from an academic path, when it came to liberty I was more of a non-fiction person than a fiction person until I began to see that the fiction of my youth, Heinlein, Poul Anderson, and many many others including yourself and J. Neil (though I was less young by then) really set me on the path to liberty by imparting ideals like justice and respect for the individual.

      We do need to place more emphasis on the fiction writers, the artists, even the everyday individuals who are promoting the ideas and making individual liberty possible for more people and for the coming generations. Thanks for your own role in this effort.

      • Michelle

        I definitely agree that fiction is going to be important to the future of the liberty movement. First and foremost because we’ve already tried explaining it to people in non-fiction, and they don’t get it. But fiction has tools that non-fiction doesn’t. You can build a world and characters and use them to *show* people how things work, instead of trying to tell them.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      L.Neil…socialists are far better than libertarians on this issue and I think that is part of why they have made greater inroads into the culture. If you go back to the ’20s, there was Sinclair Lewis, Max Eastman, Upton Sinclair..there was a long list of fiction writers who, arguably, changed society more than anyone who made arguments based on sheer logic. In changing the hearts and mind of people you have to reach their hearts.

      • Charles Curley

        Wendy, good point. Although Lewis’ It Can’t Happen Here is an excellent read that still stands up. It speaks to libertarian ideals, in its own way.

      • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

        Wendy, so long as I can get them to read more than ONE libertarian-oriented novel: Atlas Shrugged. Why is it that every cult has only one BOOK? I call this Monovelism. Hello! You’re allowed to read a SECOND book. And a third, and a fourth, and load up your Kindle with books, and even visit old-style brick-and-mortar bookstores and libraries, if you can find tjem

    • http://addressingcausesandeffects.wordpress.com/ ERIC FIELD

      Neil, I absolutely agree. Fiction is a great way to bring people to examine their premises and beliefs. In 2012, we live in a world that is screaming for more satire and examination.

      Books like the Probability Broach and Alongside Night exposed me to serious libertarian criticisms of the state in a way that was almost insurgent. I found myself asking ‘why do we accept this status quo?’, because those ideas were brought up in fiction that I was reading purely for enjoyment.

    • Brad R

      “it’s easier to tell the truth in fiction than it is in non-fiction.” If I recall correctly, J. Neil has written both. J. Neil, would you agree?

      And yes, L. Neil, I know you have written both as well. I also know that Robert Heinlein wrote both. J. Neil (and L. Neil if you wish to answer), would you agree that Heinlein’s fiction has had a more lasting effect?

      • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

        I think the truth is that fiction reaches younger readers more than nonfiction — and often stays with them for a lifetime — and non-fiction may be more effective in reaching older readers.

        • Storm

          Absolutely, as I said in another post, while I was in academia I focused on non-fiction areas of morality, justice, and political philosophy in general, but looking back I can see how the fiction work from libertarian authors I read as a child deeply influenced me and taught me of justice and respect for persons. We need more folks like yourself so we can increase the influence on future generations.

      • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

        Second comment: Fiction is algebraic in its truth-telling while non-fiction has real numbers.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      L. Neil: Easy to lose fame and become a has-been. Harder losing other things. :-)

      More seriously, yes, we need more graphic artists, though we should give their due to the ones we have, including Scott Bieser, Rex May, and thor.

      • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

        Neil, you’ve reached this point today because you have worked relentlessly through the years, overcoming one obstacle after another, to get here. You are no has-been. You’re a soon-to-be.

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          Thank you, Scott. Brad Linaweaver keeps telling me that our reputations will only grow, and I have seen the reputation for Samuel Edward Konkin III grow as Agorism has spread as a worldwide movement.

          But in the back of my mind there’s that scene in C.S. Lewis’s The Great Divorce, where the dead writer is told by his friend that he’s been completely forgotten back on earth so he might as well enjoy Heaven — and the ghost decides to forgo Heaven and head back to earth to see what he can do to get his books back into print! :-)

  • Chris Claypoole

    Hello, all!
    My copy is an old Ace paperback ($2.50 old). The back cover blurb from the book begins, “It is 2001 . . ” so I guess editors all over like to nail down dates. (I will leave the puns on that to others.)

    In any event, I will be following the progress reports on the film closely. Good luck!

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Editors don’t seem to take the long term view. I didn’t want a date on the cover because I wanted to keep selling books after that date!

      Off the top of your heads, anybody know whether 1984′s sales slowed at all beginning in 1985?

  • Emily Sandblade

    With the plot centering around Las Vegas, locating the Utopia prison in California would be ironic.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Emily, that’s a very cool idea, just so long as I don’t have to film it in California!

      • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

        There are parts of western Nevada that could pass for southeastern California so that should not be too difficult. OTOH setting the Utopia prison in Area 51 could present some delicious ironies — “We laid out that cover story about alien spaceships and corpses in order to distract the yahoos.”

        • http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B005IZV344 Steven Vandervelde

          I vote for the Area 51 scenario.

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          Scott, I already pulled something close to that gag in Lady Magdalene’s, where I filmed the al Qaeda training camp sequence at Front Sight in Nevada, then the caption reads, “Death Valley, California”!

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    No problem, Wendy.This is a great moment — and one that’s very badly needed. I, too, am working on a movie project, although it’s somebody else’s, not mine. I’m nt here to advertise that. But it looks like we’re about to take the next great step, doesn’t it?

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Well, I seem to be finally in a position to promote the importance of fiction writing to freedom…at least, in a small way. It is incredible to me that people who came through Ayn Rand and YOU do not seem to credit the incredible impact of fiction on the imagination and convictions of people, especially young people.

    • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

      It may be that the movement has finally reached the critical mass required to provide a viable support base for people in our business. At least, I hope so.

      • Charles Curley

        Heck, Scott, maybe it’s past time. Two weeks ago I was in a room with 7,000 people who did not go to sleep when you mentioned Austrian economics, and who knew what you were talking about when someone called for ending the NDAA. For someone who joined the libertarian movement about the time it could fit into Murray Rothbard’s living room, that was exhilarating!

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          And while I know many — and sympathize with this viewpoint — that any participation in the political arena is tainted, I must observe that there are millions of new enthusiasts for basic libertarian ideas — reading classic libertarian books, and hopefully the audience for new libertarian-themed movies — as a result of the Ron Paul Revolution.

  • http://addressingcausesandeffects.wordpress.com/ ERIC FIELD

    Evening, everyone. Congratulations Neil for seeing your work transformed into film.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Eric! Thanks for the great review of my new book. I appreciate it.

      • http://addressingcausesandeffects.wordpress.com/ ERIC FIELD

        Thank you, Wendy. I really enjoyed it. You definitely dealt with the topic in a way that was solidly convincing, while still being accessible. I can definitely say yours was the most thought provoking book that I have read in a while.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Thank you. I wrote my first draft of the Alongside Night screenplay in 1978, a year before the novel was published — and I’ve probably done over two dozen drafts in the years since. And now I’m in production. Talk about a life’s dream being fulfilled!

  • http://www.NCC-1776.org L.Neil Smith

    I’m here to say congratulations to my friend Mr.Schulman. Who would have guessed, back in 1979, at the Bonaventure Hotel, that the tall, skinny, curly-haired kid I met would end up making a movie of the new book he was showing me?

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      L.Neil…it is so gracious of you to attend. I am hoping that LFB will facilitate the recognition that SF authors and artists have deserved from movement for decades. Thanks for being here.

    • Storm

      Great to see another of our liberty minded authors here, especially another whose work I enjoy so much.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      See? See? I have a witness! I was skinny!

  • VMaMa

    Good evening Neil. Did you really think in 1979 that your novel would so well reflect reality 3 decades later?

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Welcome VMaMa. Great moniker!

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      I was never going to pin down when I thought the end crisis of hyperinflation portrayed in the book would come, but as certainly as we know that water runs downhill, the principles of economics say you can’t inflate the money supply forever without consequence.

      • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

        Predicting near-future events is problematic whether you’re an economist of a science-fiction writer. Or both. But more intelligent readers will understand that the point is the overall theme and not the details. So long as the details are plausible and consistently support the theme, that is.

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          Ironically, the success of my “prophecy” was useless when trying to gin up excitement about the movie — because it was no longer science fiction but just everyday stuff on the news!

      • VMaMa

        Cassandras curse, we creative types have. Thank you for pushing forward on the film project! I think it is definitely the push we need to get these ideals in the faces of many that havent read ink off of pages in much to long. In Liberty!

  • http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B005IZV344 Steven Vandervelde

    Scott, are you doing the illustrations of the graphic novel version of Alongside Night? I’m totally addicted to Quantum Vibe! I thought I saw something about a contsest.

    • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

      Neil asked me to help him produce a graphic novel version of the movie, and I really, really wanted to, but personal circumstances (mostly my wife’s illness) has unfortunately made that impossible. I feel badly that I’ve let Neil down but there’s nothing I can do.

      • http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B005IZV344 Steven Vandervelde

        Sorry about that and we all hope your wife recovers!

  • Edgardo Peregrino

    I have yet to read the book, but I can’t wait to get my hands on that book.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Edgardo…I highly recommend it but it doesn’t sound like a recommendation is necessary. BTW…I have seen a ‘rush’ from the movie and Kevin Sorbo absolutely nails the character of Dr. Vreeland. So you can feel equally excited about the movie as you do about the book.

  • Storm

    Along the lines of my last comment regarding the importance of our fiction writers, actors, artists and the like, are you working on a new novel now? If so anything you can tell us about it?

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Yes, I’m woring on a new novel titled The Fractal Man. Obviously I’m not getting back to it for a while since I have to finish then roll out the Alongside Night movie. But the premise of The Fractal Man is about how human consciousness is multidimensional, simultaneously existing in multiple continua, and that our brains build up a linear continuum of memory that provides each of us our identity and personality during our lifetime. This identity/personality is bound to the individual biological brain and body, and when we die we return to the unbound consciousness with a holistic perception not limited by a single identity. In my story, however, my “fractal” character is able to plug into his holistic consciousness while still alive, which makes for an interesting character journey with a lot of interesting plot surprises.

      • Storm

        Hmm Sounds a bit related to a paper I worked on in grad school about non-linear time. I’ll be looking forward to it.

      • Michelle

        Holy cow… I have GOT to read that book..

      • http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B005IZV344 Steven Vandervelde

        That is a fantastic concept, Neil. Have you read Julian Jaynes’ Origin of Consciousness And The Breakdown Of The Bicameral Mind? Your fractal theory sounds like an alternate hypothesis to Jaynes’ sub-consciousness explanation for the dream state and hallucinations, one half of the brain talking to the other as it were as with a three-year-old’s invisible friend. Only, in your theory the unconscious half of the brain could be the link to alternate realities.

  • Charles Curley

    Congratulations, Neil. We’ve all come a long way from the Anarcho Village.

    Good evening, Wendy, moderatrix extraodrinaire.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Good evening Charles. I am glad you made it through the GoDaddy fiasco. But, then, you always were a staunch.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Okay, now here’s an anecdote appropriate to this discussion.

      Back in 1974 Charles Curley had a book out titled The Coming Profit in God, from Bantam Books, and Charles got an invitation to see the actual gold reserves stored at the Federal Reserve under Liberty Street in NYC. Charles took me with him to see the gold, as his guest — and that was an experience that stuck with me while I was writing Alongside Night.

      • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

        Typoes: The Coming Profit in GOLD

        Hmmm. The Coming Profit in God. Now there’s a book I might try writing!

        • Storm

          Given the current environment of mega churches and Six Flags of God sorts of churches perhaps the present tense would be better for such a book.. :/

        • Charles Curley

          @ J.Neil. How about “The Coming Prophet in Gold”?

          BTW, since it is now legal to possess, did you know that I had a two oz bar of gold in my pocket when we did that? Which makes me one of the few people in the world to smuggle a bar og gold out of the FRB/NY. :-)

          P.S. I still have it. I paid $96 for it.

          • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

            Two ounces of gold you bought for $96 which at today’s gold fix is worth $3457.52 — you do the math, but I bet that’s better than investing in oil of real estate — and a lot better than buying blue chip stocks like Kodak and General Motors!

        • http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B005IZV344 Steven Vandervelde

          Thanks for the correction. I was really confused for a minute. Neil, have you seen the new Silver Shield Silver Bullet one oz. Silver medallion? It has the slogan “In Dept And Death They Trust” on the obverse with a skull faced dead president and “A Conscious Solution To Collectivist Problems” on the reverse. Seems like more of your fiction is coming true.

          • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

            Not to diminish anything being done by Pasha Roberts — and I plan to have a little inside tribute to Silver Circle buried in Alongside Night — but there’s a deal in place for Liberty Coin Service to produce a one-ounce gold piece called the ONE LIBERTY that will be the gold pieces Elliot is carrying around with him in his belt. This gold piece will not only be seen in the movie but Liberty Coin Service is having them made up as real movie-tie-in merchandise that will be promoted with the movie, movie-tie-in edition of the novel, and the new graphic novel.

  • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

    Neil — given the change of locale for the movie, are there going to be any significant changes in the characters? Additions? Deletions?

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Thanks for giving me the chance to tell another personal anecdote. When I was outlining Alongside Night I told SEK3 that I was going to model the head of the Revolutionary Agorist Cadre after him. Then, after writing and rewriting the novel eight times, it turned out that “Merce Rampart” — the secretive “Chairman” of the Cadre — turned out to be Elliot’s headmaster at Ansonia Prep School, Dr. MAUREEN Fischer. Sam was bemused.

      So now that I’m doing the movie I can make good on my promise. The character of Dr. Maureen Fischer in the novel is now Dr. Murray Konkin in the movie … and I’m just a couple of days from locking in scheduling for Walter Koenig to play that role. Fingers crossed!

      • Charles Curley

        Well, if you are going to have a character named Dr. Murray Konkin, you will need an actor who can reporoduce both of their laughs on demand. Not easy. And will he wear a black bow tie?

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          Damn! I hadn’t thought about wardrobe yet!

  • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

    Hello all.

    • HRearden

      Hi.
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    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Hey Scott…thank you so much for coming. As you know, I want to hold a similar event for your graphic novels…so take notes about what you like and don’t so we can talk. Meanwhile we’re honored to have you here.

      • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

        Glad to be here, Wendy. Thanks for the invite.

    • http://addressingcausesandeffects.wordpress.com/ ERIC FIELD

      Scott, I am a big fan of the work you have done on the Probability Broach and Roswell, Texas. You and Neil did an amazing job bringing those stories to life. I love the way that you two used the medium of graphic novels to present new ideas to the readers.

      Best wishes on your family’s health issues.

  • Jonny H

    Hello from Seoul!
    Excellent read. I look forward to the flick.
    Like Brad, I wonder when it might be out.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      We’re aiming to have a film-festival cut by July 2013.

      • http://www.thefreehold.us Jonathan Baird

        I may have missed it but where is the film festival going to be held?

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          Jonathan, submissions to film festivals require having a movie to submit! We won’t know what film festivals are open to us until we have a cut of the movie to send in.

      • Storm

        If I am not mistaken that might be in time for SXSW, any thoughts of trying to make it for that fest?

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          To be honest I’m so immersed in production I’m not even thinking about what festivals I want to take the movie out to yet. And there’s always the possibility of a distribution deal happening even before we start submitting to festivals.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      All the way from Korea. I know that e-travel makes everything next door to everything else…but I’m still impressed.

      • Jonny H

        I don’t teach for a couple hours, so thought I’d see what was up here. Thanks for the invite.

  • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

    Good time to ask that question since we just had our first shooting day with Kevin a week ago today (Labor Day). Kevin is a consummate professional and that makes my job as writer/director easy. Just say action and he turns in a performance that brings the words I wrote to life. Aside from that, Kevin understands the principles behind the story. He’s economically and politically literate and comes out on the side of individual liberty.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Make sure to hit the “reply” button under the post so that people don’t get confused. OK, OK…nagging over now.

      • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

        I realized that as soon as it posted. I’ve copied my reply as a reply to that question.

    • http://www.quantumvibe.com ScottBieser

      Glad to hear that about Mr. Sorbo. I’ve enjoyed his work on Hercules and Andromeda.

      • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

        Scott, because he’s so good looking it’s easy to miss that Kevin Sorbo is a great actor. And because he made his reputation wearing leather pants and bare arms (he has the right to bare arms!) it’s taken a while for people to realize his range between comedy and serious roles. I’m really hoping that Alongside Night succeeds well enough to change the casting director and studio perception of Kevin.

  • HRearden

    Greetings.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      HR! Glad you could make it. J.Neil is already taking questions.

  • Brad R

    Hi, Neil! Congratulations on the upcoming film. I’ve just started re-reading the book — yes, it’s still on my bookshelf — and I’m amazed at how well it holds up. Okay, you missed the date by 13 or 14 years, but that’s closer than Orwell. :) If you’re still casting, this question may be premature, but have you any estimate (or aspiration) for the completion date of the film?

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      I didn’t miss the date. I never put a date in the novel. It was the dumb publisher who insisted on putting “A novel out of 1999″ on the book jacket and they told me if I insisted they didn’t they wouldn’t advertise the book.

      To answer the production question, I hope to wrap principle photograpy by February at the latest and have a film-festival cut ready by July.

      • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

        No edit button? Grrrrrrrrr!

        “Principal photography.”

      • Brad R

        Oh, I beg your pardon! I never knew that that was done by the publisher, and not by you. I suppose it’s too late to go back to the original publisher and say “I told you so.” :)

        • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

          It wasn’t editors who came up with the 1999 bit; it was someone whose name I never knew in the Crown Publishers sales department, who said, “Numbers in titles help sell books.”

  • Storm

    J. Neil, I saw the great pic of you with Kevin Sorbo. What is it like to work with him?

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Good time to ask that question since we just had our first shooting day with Kevin a week ago today (Labor Day). Kevin is a consummate professional and that makes my job as writer/director easy. Just say action and he turns in a performance that brings the words I wrote to life. Aside from that, Kevin understands the principles behind the story. He’s economically and politically literate and comes out on the side of individual liberty.

      • Storm

        Great to hear! We need to win over the hearts as well as the minds, and our fiction writers, artists, actors and the like are a great boon to this end. Keep up the good work yourself.

  • http://www.thefreehold.us Jonathan Baird

    I have not read the book yet however I am interested in the concept. Had I known this question and answer thing was coming up I would have read Alongside Night rather than Escape From Heaven. The only question I can think of at the moment is how does an economist from the Austrian school win a Nobel prize in this day and age (I realize this was written before the Nobels became so politicized)?

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      How hard can it be to win a Novel Prize? Barack Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and has never made any peace — in fact, he extended one war by at least four years so far, and has been encouraging civil wars around the Middle East.

      As for my character, Dr. Martin Vreeland, his fictitious Nobel Prize in Economics was for saving the European Union by convincing them to back their currency with gold.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Well…in 1974, Hayek shared the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences so I guess Dr. Vreeland’s award is not unprecedented. Tho’, believe me, I know what you are saying!

  • GREGORY GAUTHIER

    Why not a chat room or conference call?

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Gregory…I would prefer a conference call but I am using the software that LFB provides. Hopefully the ability to talk to J.Neil directly compensates for any e-awkwardness.

  • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

    I’m here, ready to go in 24 minutes. Should I answer the questions already posted or wait until 8:00 PM EDT, the official start time?

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Fire when ready Gridley!

  • Jacob Vidrine

    Has casting been done for Elliot and / or Lorimer yet?

    Also – other than location, and the year the story takes place, are there going to be any other signification deviations in the movie from the novel?

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Hello Jacob. I am a poor substitute for J. Neil but he has told me that some casting is underway and contracts are being finalized with other actors. As for Elliot and the wonderful character Lorimer…I’m not sure which category they belong in. But J.Neil should be here shortly.

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      As for your second question…I asked J.Neil the same thing in an interview conducted about a week ago http://lfb.org/blog/interview-with-j-neil-schulman/ and he responded….

      J.Neil: The flow through of the story is pretty much the same but a lot of the details had to be reworked to catch up with three decades of history. Also, movies tell stories differently than novels, and the story needed to be “weaponized.” One difference: in the new timeline of events taking place before we begin the story, New York City has become much more like Detroit and the Vreeland family has moved from New York to Las Vegas – the same move Murray Rothbard made in real life when he moved from teaching at New York Polytechnic to an endowed economics chair at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas. The story now takes place in and around Las Vegas. Some people have said to me, “But since Las Vegas is already decadent, how will anyone know the entire country has gone that way?” My answer is that Nevada’s western freedoms mean that Las Vegas is more resilent during a federal crisis than other American cities will be, so it makes sense that Dr. Vreeland would have thought of moving his family there. Plus, whoever thinks Chairman Bloomberg’s New York City is in any way less decadent and corrupt than Las Vegas is out of their minds.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Jacob, we’re casting the roles of Elliot and Lorimer right now. I just listed the roles with Breakdown Express and well be looking at actors’ resumes and online reels, then scheduling callbacks for the actors we’re interested in reading for Los Angeles, October 8th & 9th.

  • http://activist.la Ivan Burbakov

    I’d like to do book and movie (subtitles) translations to Russian, if I’ll have enough time and energy (I used to be one of translators and editor of Russian edition of SEKS’s NLM).

    What should I do to get a copyright holder’s permission to do this?

    • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

      Ivan…you not only posted a great work-around for the GoDaddy problem but you are using my favorite photo of SEK3. You are the MAN! As for your question…J.Neil is an advocate of copyright as a natural right and, so, the best (and maybe the only) solution is to ask him for permission. This event is a good place to do so. I expect he would be thrilled to have access to a Russian audience.

    • http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com J. Neil Schulman

      Ivan, I’m way open to Russian translation and captioning discussions.

  • http://www.wendymcelroy.com Wendy McElroy

    Welcome to a Celebration of J.Neil Schulman’s movie adaption of his superb novel “Alongside Night.” Comments? Questions?